Selling Out In Hip-hop, Does It Even Matter Anymore?
Posted on June 19th, 2009 by Gedi Dabakaeri in Column, tags: A Tribe Called Quest, AZ, BEP, Common, de la soul, Jungle Brothers, Nas, Pete Rock & CL. Smooth, q-tip, The Roots
With the commercial success of so many hip-hop acts in the last eight years it got me to thinking whether the term “selling out” in hip-hop even applies nowadays. Q-Tip once said; “rap is not pop, and if you call that then stop“, let’s just say 91′ was a long time ago. Hip-hop has always had rules about selling out; when an artist conforms to the way record labels or managers see them in order to make money through commercial success and generally not the original fan base. EPMD had a song called “crossover” that spoke to this topic; play the first 20 seconds of that video – priceless. If something is commercially successful that’s fine as long as artists isn’t compromising the art form for commerce, i.e. The Score, by The Fugees. As hip-hop gained the height of its popularity in the late 90’s, the industry sought to capitalize on the music and more importantly the lifestyle. Artists began making larger endorsement deals and the music began to get more watered down for radio spins. Not that we haven’t had hip-hop records that became pop hits (ie. “humpty dance”, “summertime” or “rump shaker”) on radio eventually, but the music wasn’t as blatant previously.
Two artists that come to mind when I consider this topic are The Black Eyed Peas and Common. People forget that The Black Eyed Peas started out as a three man group that sounded nothing like the radio darlings they are today. Their early music lent itself more to what the Native Tongues were about. Not that it was conscious like A Tribe called Quest or De La Soul, but they were having fun and somewhat underground or backpacker without completely begging for a radio hit see; “joints & jams”, “request line”. Interscope basically tells them they better start selling records or else. They add Fergie to the group and the music becomes completely bubble gum and corny. I’m not even against good pop music as I listed earlier, but its like day and night when you compare the earlier music to last five years. Commercial sales don’t mean shit to me if the music sucks. I can’t decide which is worse; that as talented as Will.I.Am is, this is the output or that he mentions that the music their making now is reminiscent of early Jungle Brothers – “Girl I’ll House You” or Eric B. & Rakim’s – “Let The Rhythm Hit ‘Em”? Even if the music they were making was influenced by those records thus their interpretation, its corny. If they were making this type of music in the beginning there would be no backlash because we’d label them a pop act – end of story.
Common used to be the poster boy for good lyricism, now he’s just selling something on a damn poster. Ever since Jay Dee passed I can’t even recognize the artist formerly known as Common sense. Is he an actor, an emcee or selling hats and tee shirts? Oh wait, all the above. Since BE dropped, Common’s music has lacked the focus and cohesion of his earlier catalog. It’s not for lack of talent, but how far will one go to acquire a larger fan base? I respect the fact that he’s wants to be an actor, but if your heart isn’t in the music then don’t pursue it just to turn around and create mediocre art. I should’ve known it would get worse after that GAP commercial. He’s recently recorded a song with the Jonas Brothers. I don’t even know where to start with that one. If he hasn’t sold out, then I’m in the twilight zone or something. I assume every artist faces that question; Do I want to get paid or make good music, artist vs. hustler? It’s definitely possible to attain both, but it requires patience and some level of discipline with what one will compromise. I don’t think its easy, but Q-Tip, The Roots and De La Soul all prove that it is still possible to have critical and some commercial success without compromising the art. De La Soul recently did a join venture with Nike; Are You In? making the same music we’re accustomed to.
If you go back to early 94′/95 we had hip-hop commercials with Sprite by Nas & AZ or Pete Rock & CL. Smooth and they still represented the art without being outlandish or contrived. It was still very hip-hop in its authenticity. So I really feel the notion of selling out isn’t the real problem here, but rather the finished product we’re getting. Hip-hop is too commercially viable for artists to turn blind eye to the revenue they could be making. If they’re not exploiting the culture/music I don’t see a problem. However, larger corporations seek to profit on the lifestyle and supposed stereotypes in hip-hop all the time. Whether its a Wendy’s commercial using auto-tune or McDonald’s using a rapper/DJ to appeal to an urban demographic. Rappers have to decide how far they willing sell out for profit because they have a say in the matter. If you allow yourself to be marketed for something that’s a contradiction of your music, you can’t really be mad when your fan base then wonders where your heart is. At the end of the day, if its done with hip-hop in mind, the finished product should embody that.











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Amen to this. I actually remember seeing Black Eyed Peas live pre-Fergie and was amazed that people weren’t as upset as I was about her addition to the group. As for Common, the Jonas Brothers move officially marked him selling out. Good post and blog in general.
@ Talib I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to defend the earlier BEP music. I definitely don’t co-sign the music they’ve been making since they added Fergie to the group, but they made at least two good albums I still play. When I play “joints and Jams” and i hear the shit their making now I’m like what happened?
Will.I.Am played the damn Fender rhodes for Mos Def’s “Umi Says” and this boom boom pow is the best he can create…SMH
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1ne.
Sure, and Dr. Dre is tapdancing and fake smiling for Dr. Pepper, too…safe to bet he lost that Lambroghini, eh? We all knew Common was gone…doing ads for Mercury SUVs and Sprite commercials alongside The Roots way earlier than that.
I dunno, I hold myself to higher standards than I do these guys. I respect cats who walk the harder path of personal principles, but it’s also a crazy, stubborn thing to do and there’s not much money in not accepting corporate control money.
Can’t put your faith in people.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Man, when I heard that Common made a joint with the Jonas Brothers I was damn near crushed. It’s okay though, this keeps life interesting. lol.
Word. Nuf said.
Good read…. unfortunately you speak the truth. I hope Common was paid more than well for that Jonas Brother’s train wreck of a song… he’ll need it to buy his cred back….
@Element @TACH He better have got a nice check for the Jonas Brothers collabo because the pairing is bad enough, the music is even worse. His credibility is gonna cost him a good album. Sadly, I just don’t think he’s focused to create that currently.
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1ne.
@DJ Multiple Sex Partners Dr. Dre needs to finish Detox already, making Dr. Pepper commercials – negro please!
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1ne.
Selling out is a tough thing. Meth + Red doing deodorant commercials is an obvious joke, but Slayer playing a Jagermiester tour makes good sense and doesn’t have that same smell of prostitution.
For another example, I’d be whoring it up if I took endorsement money from some clothing label, but if Jameson wanted to sponsor me, well…I think that’s a win-win situation there. Plus a return on thousands of dollars in investment money that I’ve been spending for 10 years now in bars around the continent.
Side question: so are the Jonas Brothers just fucked for life, in terms of artistic credibility? What happens when they’re all approaching 30, they start doing good drugs and drop a dope album out of nowhere? The Beatles were a cheap pop band in the beginning, too.
Great read yet again, Gedi.
@Scoots @verteBRae Glad you guys liked it. Thanks for the comments.
1ne.
@DJ Multiple Sex Partners To me “selling out” is compromising your integrity or artistry for a cheque. Based on that definition you’re good…lol Why not get that Jameson endorsement money because its something you already use and people know you for. Where’s the compromise in that? That’s a win-win to me. There’s definitely a fine line with this issue.
The Jonas Brothers are a pop act, they better enjoy the ride and try not to spend all their money.
Im still listening to fear of a black planet by public enemy
Finally got to reading this. My apologies. Great post and I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s the same thing I’ve been saying. It’s not selling out if you stay true to your music. Whatever genre that is. But if you’re stating that what you create is one thing, then go contradict yourself for some cash, then don’t get mad at me for turning my back on that b.s. They can do as they please, but as I like to say, I don’t have to agree, follow and buy. Again, great post man! Always interesting and well put!
good read, and i still think it matters to make the music you want to make regardless of the outcome financially, but then again you’re talking to a guy that’s sweating because it’s the first of the month and rents about to be due.
@lowballz Hahaha! Stay stong.
@OC Supreme Far be it for me to stand in the way of someone getting paid. Good music is still in demand. People will see through it if you’re compromising consistently for a cheque.
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1ne.
@D. Allie We respect the music your making thats why we support what your doing on this blog. Keep up the good work homie!
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1ne.
this post cost someone $35
Good article. Very nicely worded…I agree 100% if the BEP started out making pop music, Fergie
Or no Fergie they would’ve in no way sold out by putting out the music they put out now. Same with
Common but who knows…hip hop has taken a lot of different turns over the years, kanye and lil
wayne Have pushed this era of transitions, but maybe those of us calling them sellouts are just dinosaurs
In hip hops ice age.
@HeadLineZnooz I don’t think I’m even against the BEP movement if profitability is their goal. The music they’re making hip-hop or not is just not cutting edge or very good for that matter. Sadly, people are eating it up.
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1ne.