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“Fans” Lash Out at Elaquent Over Request to Remove ‘Parallel’ Download Link

“Fans” Lash Out at Elaquent Over Request to Remove ‘Parallel’ Download Link

elaquent parallel Fans Lash Out at Elaquent Over Request to Remove Parallel Download LinkThe world is a weird place, man. Over the past few days, Potholes favorite Elaquent—a producer based out of Toronto—found himself in a shitty situation. On Oct. 31, he stumbled across music blog Rappamelo, which was hosting a free download link of his latest release, the great Parallel EP.

And upon seeing this, he asked the site to remove the link with the following comments:

ok seriously. quit bootlegging my shit. take all those links down please. – Elaquent

dont wanna sound like an asshole, but come on, the record is not even 2 days old. thanks in advance. – Elaquent

Within 10 minutes, some readers commented and seemed to support the fact the site was bootlegging Elaquent’s material, which, you know, you can stream for free on Urbnet Bandcamp as much as you want. Here’s one of them:

only because of blogs like this i get to know you and told other people about you who bought your stuff at the end.

Fair enough, playboy, but you do know that you can share music without illegally downloading it, right? Look, I’m not making a case against people downloading stuff—you’re lying through your teeth if you tell me you haven’t—but to start shit with an artist looking to have his music removed is just … bizarre.

Our buddy Dart Adams—he runs Producers I Know and is a walking hip-hop encyclopedia—chimed in a few hours later with a pithy comment that sums up how most of us probably feel:

What I don’t get is when artists ask you directly to stop bootlegging their shit why “fans” get angry? I work closely with these artists and if someone claimed to support you but instead cut a hole in your pockets & wallet you surely wouldn’t welcome it… – Dart Adams

Elaquent would soon follow with another comment requesting the link be removed, which happened relatively quickly:

Look, I appreciate any and everyone who supports what I do and the movement. But the EP is on bandcamp. Everyone can stream it in its entirety. If you want to post the bandcamp link, I’m all for it. I just think posting a lo res 128kbps link to the album undermines not just $$, but the attention to detail that was put into the record, sonically. I’m not going to single out rappamelo, and I appreciate that you enjoyed it enough to post it, but moving forward on my future releases, please respect my wishes not to post bootleg links to my music that took a lot of time and energy to put together. Thanks for taking the bootleg links down, much appreciated.

Unfortunately, that’s when things got ugly.

Some person calling him/herself “fans” decided it was time to hate on Elaquent’s stance on this situation and this opened the floodgates for others to follow in line with the idiocy.

that attitude stinks Elaqquent [sic] used to love your music. but with an attitude like that i need to think twice about you as an artist – fans

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45 Comments

  1. Dusty
    Nov 12, 2012 @ 13:46:00

    Exactly what i am saying Blvd… The same recycled samples, tempos, etc after a while. I got so tired of that cricket sample I swore I heard it in my sleep. I support, but when I listen first and it sounds just like something before (as I was experiencing LONG before this mess blew up on rappamelo) or I can hear the same ole samples or basslines used, i’m not buying it sorry..

    Not to mention, one of the biggest contradictions of this whole subject is how artists complain about their stuff getting “stolen” when half their work is made from STOLEN material. I guarantee NONE of these independent artists are clearing samples and paying the original artist(s) who created that sample.

  2. scootabah
    Nov 12, 2012 @ 13:22:00

    I like Elaquent, have blasted his music faithfully at gigs and
    broadcasts, marketed his sites to buy his music. BUT…. plenty of his
    music uses the same samples, bass-lines, etc. The cricket sample got so
    damn annoying I swore I started hearing crickets in my sleep. After a
    while, who wants to pay out their hard worked money to listen to shit
    that sounds like their previous efforts or its just a simple revision of
    their old ish?!

  3. scootabah
    Nov 12, 2012 @ 13:20:00

    I like Elaquent, have blasted his music faithfully at gigs and broadcasts, marketed his sites to buy his music. BUT…. plenty of his music uses the same samples, bass-lines, etc. The cricket sample got so damn annoying I swore I started hearing crickets in my sleep. After a while, who wants to pay out their hard worked money to listen to shit that sounds like their previous efforts are just a simple revision of their old ish?!

  4. scootabah
    Nov 12, 2012 @ 13:07:00

    There are positives and negatives with blog sites but what amazes me is how some artists (especially beat makers) complain about their stuff being “stolen” when half their work was made from stealing samples. I guarantee you, the profits (small or large) from the “hard work” (And I do stress Hard work because making some these beats I hear is not hard at all especially when samples are being recycled into other tracks more than ever) put into those uncleared, sampled beats is not being passed on to the original artist(s) of those samples.

  5. Blvd. Bee
    Nov 07, 2012 @ 04:09:00

    Nah man it’s cool.

  6. Kajer24
    Nov 05, 2012 @ 20:43:00

    I’d be interested to know how many people have started to consider touring as their main source of income.

  7. Jake Money
    Nov 05, 2012 @ 17:20:00

    MARC!

  8. Andrew Martin
    Nov 05, 2012 @ 17:20:00

    I’m WITH IT

  9. Jake Money
    Nov 05, 2012 @ 17:18:00

    That’s a good point, I think that this discussion sort of focused on just the online side of it and I never really touched on it. Maybe I can write something about touring down the road if PIMB is interested in posting it.

  10. Cream of Beats
    Nov 04, 2012 @ 21:08:00

    I see both sides to this story:
    For people to argue that an artist should not get paid after he paid to produce a product is absurd! When Sony creates a new HDTV, do people walk into the store and assume it should be free? If the store manager tells you you have to pay for it, do you fight him? Wtf is up with people?
    But hey, the consumer has a choice: Either (A) Log into Itunes, enter credit card info and have money extracted from their bank account or (B) do a google search and click a link to download for free.
    …Not everyone will pick option B, but most will!

  11. Andrew Martin
    Nov 04, 2012 @ 11:09:00

    Sorry if I came off short, and good, glad to hear that.

  12. Andrew Martin
    Nov 04, 2012 @ 11:09:00

    DUDE

  13. Blvd. Bee
    Nov 04, 2012 @ 03:59:00

    I know. It’s all good. EQ put out free material before. It’s not like he had never put out free music. BTW, I bought the new EP.

  14. Kajer24
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 17:39:00

    Im just poking fun.

  15. Dai.
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 16:01:00

    I love how the “fans” haven’t posted on here at all. Ain’t got nothing to say huh?
    El makes music worth paying for and still drops free ish for yall. shut the hell up.

  16. Zach Moldof
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 15:20:00

    I spend more time creating content than commenting though.

    Might as well turn your emoticon eyes back on yourself at the same time then, no? Cause you’re saying that in the comment section of a website.

  17. AbJonian Sanders
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 15:09:00

    If you would all allow me to put in my 0.02…

    I, like my fellow colleague here and the plethora of folks who spend countless hours of our nights and days banging on $200-2000 equipment to manifest a solid piece of art/music/conversation starter with our name on it, just want to be heard. And heard by as many ears as humanly possible. No matter the reason, it’s for you, the consumer, the fan, to listen to and enjoy, not us. We may pose the alternative, that it’s “for our health”, but if that was the case, we’d keep it to ourselves and it would never see another computer screen or car system panel, not a single peep from another speaker or monitor but our own. It takes some damn courage to even release music, at that. This being said, we always want more and more fans, and then so, more and more revenue accrued from said fans, so we can keep making this music and feel like it’s worth while. This has been said in so many different ways, obviously I can’t count them, but how many times it’s said is more important than what is said, in this case, I think.

    I steal music. That’s right, I said it. AbJo steals music. I’m not proud of it, but I do. I can’t justify why I do, I just do. I understand. I’m still a fan of music, that goes without saying. I have my reasons, but they’re never gonna hold up in court, if you get what I’m sayin’. I sell music, too. My music. And I don’t expect people to always buy my music. This is the culture we’ve built up, and I’m not proud of that either. Just because I make beats for folks and I may have some sort of clout, doesn’t exonerate me from reprimand on that front. However, when it comes down to it, I still end up paying for what I love to hear. My policy as of late, then, has been to pay for what I love to hear, or patiently wait until I can pay for it with what little money I have as a soon-to-be owner of a bachelor’s degree and a 5-figure debt. And shut the fuck up when some one like Elaquent, or Knxwledge, or Ohbliv, or Ackryte, or Javis Faux, or Handbook, or Sango, decides to put up their beat tape or album up for 10 bucks. Why? Because that’s how it should be.

    No matter what I’ve been used to in the past, regardless of how things are changing, no matter if stealing music is still the norm, I don’t want them to stop making music. Because they definitely can. And they can definitely start being more of an “asshole” about it. Because they, we deserve it. It’s the broken record of the millennium: our music is our livelihood, and we’d appreciate it tons if our fans, the consumers, would appreciate the music, too, and the time and thought we put into giving you a culture to be a part of. Sure, we’ll, or at least, I’ll still give out free music, but yo, pay the hell up or keep checking that Soundcloud page.

    That’s a record that never going away, folks, and it doesn’t need to be fixed…

  18. marc heilbrunn
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 15:00:00

    jake money!

  19. Kajer24
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 14:38:00

    Jake’s post was very interesting, I’m just wondering why touring hasn’t come up in any of these arguments… I’m a broke motherfucker, and when I can spend the extra money, I’d prefer to go to a concert.
    This in no way justifies my pirating, but it doesn’t mean I’m not trying to actively support my favorite artists.

    Anyways, when it comes down to it, guys like Eloquent are probly making just enough to keep them from having to work a day job. They have every right to be upset when their album, which they put up a free stream of, is immediately thrown up on 4shared.
    There is plenty of free music out there, buy an album when you can.

  20. Kajer24
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 14:24:00

    He say’s in the comment section of a blog. <_<

  21. Lee TNBM
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 13:17:00

    My thoughts entirely.

  22. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    AGREED

  23. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    hahahahahah

  24. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    YUP

  25. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    awesome.

  26. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    good point

  27. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    YUP

  28. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:56:00

    Even if it you think it sounds similar, you can always stream it for free all you want.

  29. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:55:00

    well said

  30. Andrew Martin
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 11:55:00

    thanks!

  31. thefindmag
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 07:53:00

    Really interesting and insightful read(s). This is one of the reasons why we visit PIMB!

  32. Oz
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 00:05:00

    From the point of view of the bootleggers… just want to add that I actually started as a supplier of bootlegs, at one point getting into it with Stones Throw. I matured and I realized bootlegging doesn’t really get you anywhere. Yeah, people download your links but what else besides inflating your digital ego? Bootlegging doesn’t get you to interview your favorite artists or establish a pretty dope relationship with musicians.

  33. Oz
    Nov 03, 2012 @ 00:02:00

    JAKE JOIN THE TEAM!

  34. Blvd. Bee
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 19:48:00

    Does this EP sound like Elaquent’s previous work? Some of his beats are repetitive, which could be the reason why his “fans” are wanting them for free. It’s like Knxwledge charging for 6 second loops. Don’t get me wrong…both of these guys are very dope producers and I love their beats, but when I listen to new projects they drop at times it feel like their beats aren’t dope enough to tap into my PayPal account.

  35. Michael Jon Carter
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 17:46:00

    Another thing is vinyl only releases. If you really want you shit bootlegged. vinyl only acts as an open invitation. While It may seem cool to cater to the vinyl heads only, It can be a very annoying to people looking to buy digital or the regular cd.

  36. TEA
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 16:12:00

    I’M GLAD THAT ARTISTS ARE NOT PASSIVE ABOUT PIRACY. FANS OFTEN TAKE THAT TITLE AS A LICENSE TO HAVE FREE REIGN TO DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE. PEOPLE NEED TO ADMIT THAT THEY PREFER TO NOT PAY. IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU “PUT ON” TO SAID ARTIST. SUPPORT WHAT YOU LIKE. ISN’T THAT THE POINT?

  37. Michael Jon Carter
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 16:06:00

    Its a mixed bag really. If a guy is giving out alot of free material, and then he hits you with the stuff to buy Its a must that you support. Its also understandable that some of these blogs contribute to international reach of the indie musicians without the big budgets etc etc. In this case though, he had a link on bandcamp for free streaming which should have gone up instead of the download. The download became redundant.

    In terms of bad attitudes etc, what do people expect? Its the nature of the world, people are great at what they do, but It doesn’t mean they’re kind and caring. Its a tough world out there, deal with it!

  38. Andrew Martin
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 14:03:00

    I AGREE

  39. Joel Frieders
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 14:03:00

    i think jake should write more. that was awesome

  40. Zach Moldof
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 11:14:00

    I think the real lesson here is one that we already know full well: most people who comment on the internet are human garbage. They don’t comment because they have something to say, but purely because they want to feel a certain way, or want so desperately to know that they can have an affect on someone else’s feelings. Those people that claimed to be “former fans” probably never even listened to his music.

  41. Nelson
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 11:11:00

    I went straight to Bandcamp and bought Parallel after reading this. If we don’t support musicians, there won’t be any music. Simple as that.

  42. Ray Juss
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 10:43:00

    People are happy to spend loads of money on items from a multi national corporation but cant even break off the smallest amount of money to directly pay an artist for their work. A piece of work they can treasure for years to come.

  43. fucktheinternet
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 10:31:00

    Never heard of him before but buying his EP just to make a point to those dumb cunts. Go cry about not having a life and spending your time arguing with artists on the internet because it makes you feel like you’re important. Bitches

  44. XPreNN
    Nov 02, 2012 @ 10:26:00

    A
    real fan is also a supporter of the artist. Bootlegging is unavoidable
    nowadays, but when free alternatives are available, this behaviour is
    completely backwards and unacceptable. There is a difference between
    providing free promotion and ripping off an artist.

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